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[profile] wendelah suggested I make a poll ranking the movies; I can't figure out how to make a poll that's easy to just glance at the results and see without crunching the numbers afterwards (which this is a no math zone, my friends; NO MATH!), so I decided to just make a regular post.

Trek movies ranked four ways:

TOS movies ranked, most favorite at the top

The Voyage Home
The Undiscovered Country
The Search for Spock
The Final Frontier
The Wrath of Khan
The Motion Picture

TNG movies ranked, most favorite at the top
First Contact
Generations
Nemesis
Insurrection

Reboot movies ranked, most favorite at the top
Star Trek (2009)
Star Trek Beyond
Star Trek into Darkness

All the movies ranked, most favorite at the top
The Voyage Home
First Contact
The Undiscovered Country
The Search for Spock
Star Trek (2009)
Star Trek Beyond
Star Trek Into Darkness
The Final Frontier
The Wrath of Khan
Generations
Nemesis
The Motion Picture
Insurrection



I adore the TOS movies, all of them, even V. Maybe even especially V.

When I was younger, I didn't like The Motion Picture much. It's so different tonally from the series and from the rest of the movies. It is entirely bereft of humor. This is Serious Business, y'all. All those long, silent tracking shots of the ship designed to appeal to Kubrick's audience in 2001 made no sense to little me, and it alienated me as a kid. It took me awhile to warm up to the movie. Now I love it. Now I see the tracking shots as glorious ship porn, and I get a little thrill in my heart every time the Enterprise (whichever Enterprise) shows up on screen--but that's a reaction I had to develop over time by watching the crew react with pride and love to the sight of their ship, by watching the Enterprise be destroyed and resurrected over and over again. I wasn't ready to react that way to The Motion Picture when I first saw it. I also really love the story line in retrospect; what an amazing idea that ties in to our real world space program. What if that olive branch we sent out into the universe so long ago actually got answered? Also, I am not sure if this ever gets confirmed in canon, but I really love the idea of the race that V'Ger comes in contact with and who transform it into sentience being the beginnings of the Borg; I've even seen ideas that somehow contact with V'Ger turns that race *into* the Borg. Really nice way to take the whole damn thing full circle.

Wrath of Khan is the undisputed fan and critical favorite, but it's never been mine. As a kid, the scene where the parasites crawl into the crewmen's ears really freaked me out, and I avoided watching it for that reason. Now I love it. I love that the humor and tone of the TV series returns. I love the Shakespearean dialogue. I love the emotional intensity ratcheted up to eleventy million. I love Kirstie Alley as Saavik. And, of course, this movie gives us the iconic scene between Kirk and Spock, the moment for so many of us that encapsulates how much they love each other. I know that Shatner gets slammed a lot for overacting, but he is absolutely phenomenal in the reactor scene. Tears come to my eyes just thinking about it.

The Search for Spock begins my favorite TOS story arc. It's really hard not to see III and IV as a two-parter rather than as distinct movies. This is the movie that fully and explicitly articulates that the crew of the Enterprise will do absolutely anything for each other, that they are not just friends but family, and that they will defy any order and any obstacle to help one of their own. This is where I get my love of team and leave no man behind. DeForest Kelley shines in this movie; he gets to be the main focus and the star for once, and he does a fucking amazing job with the material. I love all the characters, but Nichelle Nichols is another standout; Uhura's encounter with Mr. Adventure remains one of my favorite moments in Trek.

The Voyage Home is my favorite Trek movie. It's the first I remember seeing in the theater. It's so joyful and funny, and I will never get tired of watching the crew of the Enterprise save the universe. Spock trying to figure out how to be Spock again, and Kirk's relief and frustration with him are so finely done. To be plain, this movie makes me happy. Every single character gets a moment in the spotlight (the doctor gave me a pill and I grew a new kidney! how quaint! etc etc etc), and at the end of the movie when the whole universe commends them, I'm clapping right along with them.

Okay, so The Final Frontier got pretty widely panned. I think it might be most fans' and critics' least favorite TOS movie, but I love it hard. It's got such great character moments in it--the crew chilling out on shore leave, the biggest fears of the command crew, what does God need with a starship? I remember seeing this in the theater; my parents are scrupulously honest, so they must have paid for two fares for each us, but we watched it two times in a row, back to back. They brought a cooler into the theater which I have no idea how they got away with that, but I know they didn't hide it, so the theater must have just let them do it. LOL I loved everything about this movie as a kid--the cat lady with three boobs, Uhura sexy dancing in the desert, Scotty knocking himself out on the support beam. Now that I'm older, I can see why my mom was irritated with the movie and didn't like it as well as the others; I mean, it's definitely not on the level of The Voyage Home. I get the disappointment, but I just have such a deep fondness for the whole damn thing, especially the Klingon plot.

Undiscovered Country is amazing. What a high note to end on. We revisit Kirk's trauma from Wrath of Khan in a very moving way, and it gets tied to bigger interstellar politics that takes the individual and personal and turns it global and much more high stakes. We get to see our heroes as flawed, not as tolerant as we (and they) would like to believe they are, a little more damaged than maybe we thought--and then they transcend those flaws. Once again, we've got the theme of leave no man behind and move heaven and earth for family. I cannot think of Sulu coming in guns blazing and risking his future in Starfleet without getting a lump in my throat. That final scene of them on the bridge is such a lovely way to close the curtain on TOS.

The TNG movies are such a mixed bag. Insurrection is just a bloated TV episode that should never have been made into a movie. As much as I like isolated moments in Nemesis, I don't think it's a very good movie either. Generations is okay, but it really rests on the gimmick of Kirk's character bridging the gap between old and new, and it doesn't do anything magnificent for me.

First Contact, on the other hand, is not just a good TNG movie, it's a damn good movie period. The cast is stellar--damn, are Alfre Woodard and Alice Krige good in this. The Borg are sufficiently scary, the movie is intense and suspenseful, and it's got enough humor to temper all that intensity. Watching this in the theater was a delight after Generations did not live up to my expectations, and it has continued to be a delight on each subsequent rewatch.

I realize I am a bit of an outlier in that I really freaking like the reboot movies. I have already waxed rhapsodic, like thousands of words rhapsodic, about each of them: 2009, Into Darkness, and Beyond. I know that most of you do not share my squee, so I will just leave those links here and welcome anything you'd like to say about them (positive or negative).

Your own rankings and blathering on any and all of the movies welcome!!

Date: 2019-09-01 02:26 pm (UTC)
amejisuto: (TOS- Red Shirts by megggieTOS- Red Shirt)
From: [personal profile] amejisuto
I love Voyage Home. Especially where Checkov is going out asking people for the "Nuclear wessles." in that accent of his. Seriously funny.

Date: 2019-09-01 03:06 pm (UTC)
misbegotten: Christopher Pike from the Star Trek reboot (STAOS Pike)
From: [personal profile] misbegotten
LOVE the reboots. So hard.

Date: 2019-09-01 08:51 pm (UTC)
forestofglory: E. H. Shepard drawing of Christopher Robin reading a book to Pooh (Default)
From: [personal profile] forestofglory
I haven't watched any of these in a while but you are making me want to rewatch them all. The Voyage Home is my favorite too! You didn't even mention the whales, but I love them, and all the goofy confused by time travel bits too.

Date: 2019-09-01 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] timespirt
It took me a while to see the new Trek movies. I just wasn't ready for a new set of people playing those characters. One day I started to watch a marathon that was on and found I really like the new Trek. I actually bought the DVD movie set
to go with the rest of my series DVDs. I don't have Deep Space 9 or Voyager yet but maybe someday.

Date: 2019-09-02 12:55 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] timespirt
DS9 and Voyager I have watched on TV the last few years. When they first came out I didn't care for them too much but they grew on me.

Date: 2019-09-03 04:47 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] timespirt
I don't have access to that one.

Date: 2019-09-01 11:36 pm (UTC)
nyctanthes: (Default)
From: [personal profile] nyctanthes
Is the voyage home the one with the whales? I remember seeing that in the theatre. I really liked the whales. :P

I have seen two of the reboots and I liked them. But I'm not an original series fan and have no interest in original Kirk/Spock. So that might contribute?

Also, I like Chris pine. He might be my favorite Chris?

Date: 2019-09-02 03:00 pm (UTC)
nyctanthes: (Gwen)
From: [personal profile] nyctanthes
That's the one I didn't watch, because I don't care for the Cumbersnatch (is five). But I like your review and agree with your take on Pine as Kirk. He's a good actor.

Date: 2019-09-02 12:54 am (UTC)
archersangel: (damned)
From: [personal profile] archersangel
i think my ranking is voyage home, first contact, the search, khan, generations & and everything else ranked lower. nemesis at the bottom.

i denounce the reboot movies.

i only saw generations, first contact & insurrection in the theaters, mostly because i was too young or my mom (who was the parent who took me and my brother to the movies) didn't want to go. by the time nemesis came out, we had stopped going to the movies.

ETA: anyone interested should read The View from the Bridge: Memories of Star Trek and a Life in Hollywood by Nicholas Meyer, the director of ST: 2 & writer of ST: 4.
Edited Date: 2019-09-02 12:57 am (UTC)

Date: 2019-09-02 05:43 pm (UTC)
wendelah1: worshipers entering the church of trek (Church of Trek)
From: [personal profile] wendelah1
It's been too long since I've seen most of these movies for me to rank them in any meaningful way. First Contact is a great movie on its own terms, no argument from me about that. It's the only Next Generation movie I've seen more than once.

I liked the first reboot movie enough to buy it on DVD and we've watched it several times since then. The casting is great. Chris Pine had an impossible task and made the role his own. All of the actors did right by their characters. I loved that it created its own timeline and left the original one intact. Like it's fanfic for TOS! Bringing Nimoy's Spock into the plot was mind-blowing, too. That said, the cold open is so gripping and so moving--Jesus I cried every time I rewatched the conversation between Kirk's parents--that the rest of the movie is kind of a letdown. We've never seen Darkness (I just put it on hold based on your review) and frankly, I can't remember much about the third movie.

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